amitjoey
07-11 12:32 PM
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/NEWS/707110343/1001
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ebizash
08-07 02:24 PM
DISCLAIMER - I am EB3-I with PD of 01/2007 AND I am not porting to EB2....
I DO NOT support this law suit idea but I really admire SunnySurya... not because he/she is planning to file lawsuit but because he/she has been really polite and patient to so many insulting, taunting and name-calling posts "personally" against him/her.
Again, I am NOT supporting actions of SunnySurya..... but admiring the patience and politeness....
My first and last post on this thread... hopefully... :)
I DO NOT support this law suit idea but I really admire SunnySurya... not because he/she is planning to file lawsuit but because he/she has been really polite and patient to so many insulting, taunting and name-calling posts "personally" against him/her.
Again, I am NOT supporting actions of SunnySurya..... but admiring the patience and politeness....
My first and last post on this thread... hopefully... :)
Madhuri
10-31 12:23 PM
Mailed all 4 letters.
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Openarms
03-10 05:44 PM
Let us start the groundwork by brainstorming.
Few sample topics:
Calling individual congress-persons / senators / local journalists.
Writing to the above as well as to the white house (a petition en masse maybe?)
Collecting funds targeted for this purpose ('Will need an estimate)
IV core - pls - we need your inputs..
I agree, This another big and very important thing that IV core can be challenged. IV core needs to bring an action item for this. People pour your support for this as well...I believe we definitely see positive contributions for this effort.
Few sample topics:
Calling individual congress-persons / senators / local journalists.
Writing to the above as well as to the white house (a petition en masse maybe?)
Collecting funds targeted for this purpose ('Will need an estimate)
IV core - pls - we need your inputs..
I agree, This another big and very important thing that IV core can be challenged. IV core needs to bring an action item for this. People pour your support for this as well...I believe we definitely see positive contributions for this effort.
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chanduv23
01-14 10:15 PM
I've sent the letters to the WH and IV. Hoping for the best.
I, however, have some questions for the senior members of the IV team. Especially for the ones who are active in the lobbying efforts in Congress and the White House. How realistic are the chances for Green card visa numbers relief, even for the longer term? It seems like there are immigrants from 2 countries - India and China who are adversely effected by the low visa numbers. If one is an immigrant for any other part of the world, it actually isnt that hard to get a Green Card thru employer sponsorship. That being the case, do you think Washington would consider this an issue that needs expedient resolution or for that matter an issue that needs a resolution at all?
Dont want to sound like a downer in this inspiring thread, but at the same time, any answers to my question will be greatly appreciated.
In this highly charged anti immigration environment, chances for direct relief could be 50 50. That said, it is possible that the administration is looking seriously into fixing issues in some form or the other.
We MUST keep trying and never lose hope.
I, however, have some questions for the senior members of the IV team. Especially for the ones who are active in the lobbying efforts in Congress and the White House. How realistic are the chances for Green card visa numbers relief, even for the longer term? It seems like there are immigrants from 2 countries - India and China who are adversely effected by the low visa numbers. If one is an immigrant for any other part of the world, it actually isnt that hard to get a Green Card thru employer sponsorship. That being the case, do you think Washington would consider this an issue that needs expedient resolution or for that matter an issue that needs a resolution at all?
Dont want to sound like a downer in this inspiring thread, but at the same time, any answers to my question will be greatly appreciated.
In this highly charged anti immigration environment, chances for direct relief could be 50 50. That said, it is possible that the administration is looking seriously into fixing issues in some form or the other.
We MUST keep trying and never lose hope.
yabadaba
01-08 09:16 AM
For those wanting to personalize it a little bit.
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. President:
I write today to urge you to fix America’s broken legal employment-based immigration system. Currently, more than 500,000 skilled individuals who contribute to the American economy through their hard work in high technology, scientific research, medicine and other fields find themselves trapped in a process that is hopelessly backlogged. If nothing is done, hundreds of thousands of immigrants will wait years or even decades in a process that was never intended to take so long. While comprehensive change will require legislative action, your administration can implement administrative remedies to improve America’s competitiveness, eliminate bureaucratic inefficiencies, and improve our quality of life.
<insert personal blurb here>
Attracting and retaining the best and brightest minds from around the world is in America’s best interest. In February 2006, your Domestic Policy Council issued a report on the American Competitiveness Initiative that recognized the importance of employment-based immigration. The report stated:
“The President also recognizes that enabling the world's most talented and hardest-working individuals to put their skills to work for America will increase our entrepreneurship and our international competitiveness, and will net many high-paying jobs for all Americans. The United States benefits from our ability to attract and retain needed immigrant and non-immigrant students and workers, and it is important that America remains competitive in attracting talented foreign nationals.”
You can advance your stated objective by making common-sense administrative reforms to fix a system that is clearly broken.
Implementing much-needed reforms will also free government resources to focus on pressing national security matters. For example, current rules require the Department of Homeland Security to renew the Employment Authorization Documents (EADs) of hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants each year as those immigrants wait for green cards and permanent residency in the U.S. Rather than renew these EADs annually, the government could renew these documents every three years, freeing countless hours that could be better spent serving the Department’s mission.
The greatest impact of the broken green card process is borne by the legal immigrants and their families. The more than half million highly-skilled legal immigrants already working productively in the United States find themselves trapped in a system that is taking years longer than intended. During this wait for a green card, these immigrants remain trapped in a legal maze, unable to change jobs – even within the same employer – without starting the arduous immigration process over again, and subject to waits that grow longer and longer.
We implore you to exercise your authority to implement administratively these much-needed reforms.
• Recapture administratively the unused visas for permanent residency to fulfill the congressional mandate of 140,000 green cards per year.
• Revise the administrative definition of “same or similar” to allow slight additional job flexibility for legal immigrants awaiting adjudication of adjustment of status (I-485) petitions.
• Allow filing of Adjustment of Status (Form I-485) when a visa number is not available.
• Implement the existing interim rule to allow issuance of multi-year Employment Authorization Documents (EAD) and Advance Parole.
• Allow visa revalidation in the United States.
• Reinstate premium processing of Immigrant Petitions.
I urge you to implement these administrative remedies without delay. Action is urgently needed to fulfill your stated goal of attracting and retaining highly-skilled legal immigrants from around the world, eliminating bureaucratic inefficiency, and improving the lives of future Americans already living and working legally in the United States.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Respectfully,
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. President:
I write today to urge you to fix America’s broken legal employment-based immigration system. Currently, more than 500,000 skilled individuals who contribute to the American economy through their hard work in high technology, scientific research, medicine and other fields find themselves trapped in a process that is hopelessly backlogged. If nothing is done, hundreds of thousands of immigrants will wait years or even decades in a process that was never intended to take so long. While comprehensive change will require legislative action, your administration can implement administrative remedies to improve America’s competitiveness, eliminate bureaucratic inefficiencies, and improve our quality of life.
<insert personal blurb here>
Attracting and retaining the best and brightest minds from around the world is in America’s best interest. In February 2006, your Domestic Policy Council issued a report on the American Competitiveness Initiative that recognized the importance of employment-based immigration. The report stated:
“The President also recognizes that enabling the world's most talented and hardest-working individuals to put their skills to work for America will increase our entrepreneurship and our international competitiveness, and will net many high-paying jobs for all Americans. The United States benefits from our ability to attract and retain needed immigrant and non-immigrant students and workers, and it is important that America remains competitive in attracting talented foreign nationals.”
You can advance your stated objective by making common-sense administrative reforms to fix a system that is clearly broken.
Implementing much-needed reforms will also free government resources to focus on pressing national security matters. For example, current rules require the Department of Homeland Security to renew the Employment Authorization Documents (EADs) of hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants each year as those immigrants wait for green cards and permanent residency in the U.S. Rather than renew these EADs annually, the government could renew these documents every three years, freeing countless hours that could be better spent serving the Department’s mission.
The greatest impact of the broken green card process is borne by the legal immigrants and their families. The more than half million highly-skilled legal immigrants already working productively in the United States find themselves trapped in a system that is taking years longer than intended. During this wait for a green card, these immigrants remain trapped in a legal maze, unable to change jobs – even within the same employer – without starting the arduous immigration process over again, and subject to waits that grow longer and longer.
We implore you to exercise your authority to implement administratively these much-needed reforms.
• Recapture administratively the unused visas for permanent residency to fulfill the congressional mandate of 140,000 green cards per year.
• Revise the administrative definition of “same or similar” to allow slight additional job flexibility for legal immigrants awaiting adjudication of adjustment of status (I-485) petitions.
• Allow filing of Adjustment of Status (Form I-485) when a visa number is not available.
• Implement the existing interim rule to allow issuance of multi-year Employment Authorization Documents (EAD) and Advance Parole.
• Allow visa revalidation in the United States.
• Reinstate premium processing of Immigrant Petitions.
I urge you to implement these administrative remedies without delay. Action is urgently needed to fulfill your stated goal of attracting and retaining highly-skilled legal immigrants from around the world, eliminating bureaucratic inefficiency, and improving the lives of future Americans already living and working legally in the United States.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Respectfully,
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acecupid
08-21 12:33 PM
I don't think it will do much good sueing uscis on this issue. The point is, they have the legal authority to be the one interporating the law. So, if there is "gray area" in the law, the law says it is their understanding that matters, not ours or any one else's. So, unless the law very specifically says it must be done in another way, you can not argue uscis did the wrong thing.
Now that we see the immigration law does not very specifically regulate how the flow should be like, so uscis have the authority to "understand the intention of the law" and act accordingly. You can't say you think the law means otherwise and thus sue uscis, because that argument makes no sense to the court. The court will only accept the argument when the government is apparently acting against the law.
We can definitely question them on how their understanding changed on visa spill over distribution.
Now that we see the immigration law does not very specifically regulate how the flow should be like, so uscis have the authority to "understand the intention of the law" and act accordingly. You can't say you think the law means otherwise and thus sue uscis, because that argument makes no sense to the court. The court will only accept the argument when the government is apparently acting against the law.
We can definitely question them on how their understanding changed on visa spill over distribution.
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loudobbs
09-29 02:08 PM
They may not the FPs for everybody but they can always run the names against suspected persons list.
It is easier to obtain names than finger prints.
It is easier to obtain names than finger prints.
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mundada
07-11 11:18 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/10/indian_green_card_seekers_in_flowery_us_protest/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
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immi_twinges
07-14 06:44 PM
Sometimes I wonder how these bozos get elected to office. These congressmen who misread the law, how can they get away with making such false statements over mainstream national media ? What is particularly appalling is , why haven't we heard any outbursts from media or other government quarters challenging his statements. What a mess...
We should not let go of this.
Being a congressman he should not misuse his first amendment to utter false statements.
Dear congressman...i pity your lack of knowledge on H1B program and USCIS policies... We can help you understand better....Please do not make a fool out of your self.... I hope people do not look at you as a moron...and we wish you all the best in your political career.
We should not let go of this.
Being a congressman he should not misuse his first amendment to utter false statements.
Dear congressman...i pity your lack of knowledge on H1B program and USCIS policies... We can help you understand better....Please do not make a fool out of your self.... I hope people do not look at you as a moron...and we wish you all the best in your political career.
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cnag
06-29 08:20 PM
Last week visas moved from U to C ( you see....);)
This week it was CIR(cus):D
Next week visas will move from C to U ( see you)::mad:
This week it was CIR(cus):D
Next week visas will move from C to U ( see you)::mad:
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wantgc23
09-23 08:28 PM
Something is screwed up.....
Mexico has over 2000 cases in April 2001 yet its PD is May 1st 2001
India has less 500 cases in April 2001 yet its PD is Apr 15 2001
This along with CIS giving "bad/incorrect" data to IV is indication of someone's malicious intentions.
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Indeed very interesting ...
Mexico has over 2000 cases in April 2001 yet its PD is May 1st 2001
India has less 500 cases in April 2001 yet its PD is Apr 15 2001
This along with CIS giving "bad/incorrect" data to IV is indication of someone's malicious intentions.
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Indeed very interesting ...
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addsf345
01-13 03:56 PM
Looks like Obmudsman office have acknowledged the problem. Just read this on their site
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However, the Ombudsman understands that USCIS may deny the Form I-485 in cases of portability (the ability to change jobs) before first issuing a Notice of Intent to Deny in certain limited circumstances. These include, for example, where the beneficiary is ineligible for the benefits of the Form I-485 by statute, or the Form I-140 is withdrawn before the Form I-485 was pending for 180 days........
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/gc_1221837986181.shtm
Once again a big Thank You to all of the volunteers behind this campaign.
Good News! Thank you for sharing. This shows that if we are united, we can have our complaints heard. Those who started this thread, pursued, promoted and participated, you all ROCK!
A BIG THANKYOU!
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However, the Ombudsman understands that USCIS may deny the Form I-485 in cases of portability (the ability to change jobs) before first issuing a Notice of Intent to Deny in certain limited circumstances. These include, for example, where the beneficiary is ineligible for the benefits of the Form I-485 by statute, or the Form I-140 is withdrawn before the Form I-485 was pending for 180 days........
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/gc_1221837986181.shtm
Once again a big Thank You to all of the volunteers behind this campaign.
Good News! Thank you for sharing. This shows that if we are united, we can have our complaints heard. Those who started this thread, pursued, promoted and participated, you all ROCK!
A BIG THANKYOU!
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rodnyb
04-01 12:32 PM
Teddy, I agree some of your data. Mine would be (90% confidence level)
EB1 (16K this year, conservative based 12K-24K possibility)
EB5 (8K, has been consistent)
EB2 ROW (10K, last year only 9K, and EB2 ROW has been consistent)
EB2 I/C 6K
Total 40K
EB3 porting 6K, ppl missed the 07/2007 w PD b/4 07/2007, 1K
EB2 I/C inventory at the beginning of Oct. 2010 (since we calculated based on normal EN2 I/C 6K, 5800 exactly). 34K. DOS show 32K while CIS inventory showed 34.8K, and we should have some approvals for ppl filing who missed 07/07 w PD b/4 07/07
So it looks like it can just clear all 07/2007. WOW.
I am sure DOS and CIS have better communication now, and they should.
The Million Dollar question will be
1. DOS will have to release some visa number early, if they don't want to waste visa, considering CIS can only approve (say 8K per month even with pre-adjudicated cases)
THAT IS WHY THEY WERE SAYING MAY. And the EB1 trend takes some time for them to declare it, mostly EB1 India bodyship crack down from late 2001.
2. DOS/CIS will consider those in approvals
a. There will be new filings EB1 EB2 ROW, EB1 I/C who missed 07/2007 w/ PD b/4 07/07. BUT processing time is about 4 months, so they could and must file in May to get it approved be end of Sept 2011 (fiscal year end of 2011). THAT IS WHY THEY WERE SAYING MAY as well.
b. After May, they will have good idea of 2a (EB1 EB2 ROW, EB2 I/C) total approvals this year. So in June July Aug. they will approve (EB1, EB2 ROW, EB2 I/C) who filed before end of May, and ALL REST NUMBERS (ALMOST CERTAIN FOR DOS/CIS at that time), AND START EB2 I/C SPILLOVER, maybe divided by 3 MONTHS, or FRONT LOAD
c. AUGUST, CRITICAL MONTH. HOPEFULLY they still have some numbers left, and DOS has to consider if CIS can approve enough to usa all visa numbers (NO WASTE please). SO they may give some buffer, HOPEFULLY say 9/8/2007. REMEMBER, they learned lesson, so no CURRENT. ALSO, they can take in applicants and don't have to approve in AUGUST.
I would say PD for EB2/I in SPET/2011 would be
100% pass 05/31/2007
80% pass 06/30/2007
50% pass 07/31/2007
30% pass 08/31/2007
0 pass 09/31/2007
AS FOR FREELOADER THINGS, I have no idea I was banned for posting (just b/c I said one fact before? There is another blog out there?)
ALSO, all visitors ARE NOT FREELODERS, for god's sake, they may click your ads, ask good questions, write good analysis, share good information (they spend the one most valuable thing in life in those forum, and those time they cannot take back!). IT is a community, there are issues, as all communities, the MOST important thing is to grow and unite, not divide and conquer.
HAVE a great weekend, and keep the hope. GOOD luck for those warriors in DC!!!! THANKS
I believe that we will get 14-15K from EB2 ROW, EB1 = 12K (currently) + 6K (Minimum), regular cap I/C 6K. Eb2 row usage is down to 60%.
Total Numbers = 14 + 18 + 6 = 38K.
Now total demand is not just 34K demand data we also have porting and new filings especially from May - Jul 2007. My assumption of porting has been 6K out of which 2K have been approved.
So really its almost an exact match till Jul - Aug 2007. We should wait for the May bulletin thing to come true firts I believe VDLRAO gave a great calculation for that.
EB1 (16K this year, conservative based 12K-24K possibility)
EB5 (8K, has been consistent)
EB2 ROW (10K, last year only 9K, and EB2 ROW has been consistent)
EB2 I/C 6K
Total 40K
EB3 porting 6K, ppl missed the 07/2007 w PD b/4 07/2007, 1K
EB2 I/C inventory at the beginning of Oct. 2010 (since we calculated based on normal EN2 I/C 6K, 5800 exactly). 34K. DOS show 32K while CIS inventory showed 34.8K, and we should have some approvals for ppl filing who missed 07/07 w PD b/4 07/07
So it looks like it can just clear all 07/2007. WOW.
I am sure DOS and CIS have better communication now, and they should.
The Million Dollar question will be
1. DOS will have to release some visa number early, if they don't want to waste visa, considering CIS can only approve (say 8K per month even with pre-adjudicated cases)
THAT IS WHY THEY WERE SAYING MAY. And the EB1 trend takes some time for them to declare it, mostly EB1 India bodyship crack down from late 2001.
2. DOS/CIS will consider those in approvals
a. There will be new filings EB1 EB2 ROW, EB1 I/C who missed 07/2007 w/ PD b/4 07/07. BUT processing time is about 4 months, so they could and must file in May to get it approved be end of Sept 2011 (fiscal year end of 2011). THAT IS WHY THEY WERE SAYING MAY as well.
b. After May, they will have good idea of 2a (EB1 EB2 ROW, EB2 I/C) total approvals this year. So in June July Aug. they will approve (EB1, EB2 ROW, EB2 I/C) who filed before end of May, and ALL REST NUMBERS (ALMOST CERTAIN FOR DOS/CIS at that time), AND START EB2 I/C SPILLOVER, maybe divided by 3 MONTHS, or FRONT LOAD
c. AUGUST, CRITICAL MONTH. HOPEFULLY they still have some numbers left, and DOS has to consider if CIS can approve enough to usa all visa numbers (NO WASTE please). SO they may give some buffer, HOPEFULLY say 9/8/2007. REMEMBER, they learned lesson, so no CURRENT. ALSO, they can take in applicants and don't have to approve in AUGUST.
I would say PD for EB2/I in SPET/2011 would be
100% pass 05/31/2007
80% pass 06/30/2007
50% pass 07/31/2007
30% pass 08/31/2007
0 pass 09/31/2007
AS FOR FREELOADER THINGS, I have no idea I was banned for posting (just b/c I said one fact before? There is another blog out there?)
ALSO, all visitors ARE NOT FREELODERS, for god's sake, they may click your ads, ask good questions, write good analysis, share good information (they spend the one most valuable thing in life in those forum, and those time they cannot take back!). IT is a community, there are issues, as all communities, the MOST important thing is to grow and unite, not divide and conquer.
HAVE a great weekend, and keep the hope. GOOD luck for those warriors in DC!!!! THANKS
I believe that we will get 14-15K from EB2 ROW, EB1 = 12K (currently) + 6K (Minimum), regular cap I/C 6K. Eb2 row usage is down to 60%.
Total Numbers = 14 + 18 + 6 = 38K.
Now total demand is not just 34K demand data we also have porting and new filings especially from May - Jul 2007. My assumption of porting has been 6K out of which 2K have been approved.
So really its almost an exact match till Jul - Aug 2007. We should wait for the May bulletin thing to come true firts I believe VDLRAO gave a great calculation for that.
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asanghi
05-15 12:27 PM
A few months back, when there was no visibility when priority dates will become current, my wife had converted from H4 to F1 so that she could work. She is currently working on CPT, and also has applied for OPT, which will start in August.
Now with my priority date June 2002 becoming current, we must decide what to do. My lawyer had told me earlier that filing 485 while on F1 is not advisable.
Has anyone been in similar situation? What is the best way to take advantage of priority dates, so that my wife does not have to be away from job for a long time.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Now with my priority date June 2002 becoming current, we must decide what to do. My lawyer had told me earlier that filing 485 while on F1 is not advisable.
Has anyone been in similar situation? What is the best way to take advantage of priority dates, so that my wife does not have to be away from job for a long time.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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factoryman
05-24 06:39 PM
Jan 1 1970. Before that you can submit affidavits.
I didn't submit non-availabilty to attorney. Last time in Sep 2005, I was about to file I-485, they didn't ask. Not sure, if the Non-Availability thing came up after Oct 2005.
My father tried to get a Non Availability certificate but they told since the birth is registered they can't issue one and that they also won't change the name...:mad: (after the incident where that MP tried to sneak people into Canada they are very strict it seems)
I didn't submit non-availabilty to attorney. Last time in Sep 2005, I was about to file I-485, they didn't ask. Not sure, if the Non-Availability thing came up after Oct 2005.
My father tried to get a Non Availability certificate but they told since the birth is registered they can't issue one and that they also won't change the name...:mad: (after the incident where that MP tried to sneak people into Canada they are very strict it seems)
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krish2006
04-05 02:15 PM
Krish,
If you would like we can interpret it differently....
The demand data published by DOS for October 2010 show 13,125 prior to 2007 and for April 2011 it is 13,200 which means increase of 75 only + approved cases( since PD did not move)
Assuming all cases approved from Oct-2010 till March 2011 are porting, means 233*6=1,398.
In this case total porting is only 1,398+75 = 1,473
In reality we don't really know how many of the approved cases(1,398) are ported.
Yes. I agree This is also one way to look at total ported numbers. (Basically it cannot exceed this number. 1,473 serves as upper ceiling)
At least this analysis serves how much porting really is taking place than coming up with assumptions.
If you would like we can interpret it differently....
The demand data published by DOS for October 2010 show 13,125 prior to 2007 and for April 2011 it is 13,200 which means increase of 75 only + approved cases( since PD did not move)
Assuming all cases approved from Oct-2010 till March 2011 are porting, means 233*6=1,398.
In this case total porting is only 1,398+75 = 1,473
In reality we don't really know how many of the approved cases(1,398) are ported.
Yes. I agree This is also one way to look at total ported numbers. (Basically it cannot exceed this number. 1,473 serves as upper ceiling)
At least this analysis serves how much porting really is taking place than coming up with assumptions.
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drirshad
01-24 12:16 PM
Lufthansa is another option for no transit visa, cheaper ticket than NW, Emirates or Singapore airlnies, little bit security check at Frankfurt when returning .....
mallu
08-04 09:14 PM
FBI NAME CHECK banners (see below) should be displayed during the september rally to illustrate the painful delay in the NAME CHECK process.
DELAY IN SECURITY CHECK UNDERMINES THE GOAL OF NATION'S SECURITY!!
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE!!!
LONGER THE DELAY GREATER THE RISK!!
Media and Congress WILL PAY to this issue!
As a result the applicants will be denied EAD and H1B extensions, rather than
fixing the lengthy name check issues.
DELAY IN SECURITY CHECK UNDERMINES THE GOAL OF NATION'S SECURITY!!
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE!!!
LONGER THE DELAY GREATER THE RISK!!
Media and Congress WILL PAY to this issue!
As a result the applicants will be denied EAD and H1B extensions, rather than
fixing the lengthy name check issues.
senthil1
08-21 08:08 PM
I think the division of Eb2 and EB3 will be over when oct VB comes. Mostly Eb3 will go back 2003 or 2004 and Eb3 date may be 2002. At that time there will be unity.
We got another 20 days..want to send out flowers..to whom??.what message??.
We got another 20 days..want to send out flowers..to whom??.what message??.